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PostPosted: Wed Feb 11, 2009 11:57 pm    Post subject: Eresus cinnaberinus Reply with quote

Ahhhh....

I drool every single time I see this pic. These are so interesting, I'm just reading up on them but at least some sp. seem to be social... in fact somewhere in wiki I read they are almost eusocial, participating in social rearing of their young and such. Great distribution in Europe, with the exception of Great Britain (I think).

(this is without counting the fact that the taxon has been divided into three species)

This is a little male: (pics from WikiPedia)







I shall now find me some CB babies or something like that . . . (high hopes) Cool
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 12, 2009 8:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Those are very cool lookin, I wouldnt mind acouple myself Smile
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 12, 2009 10:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have a couple of ppl that go in and out of Europe very often, though I highly doubt they would collect for me (not too fond of bugs Sad )
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 12, 2009 4:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Very nice looking spider.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 13, 2009 6:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

hey,
I kept those. Since they need hibernation and spiderlings feed on the mother it´s not so easy to breed them. Additionally they´re protected here.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 13, 2009 9:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bastian Drolshagen wrote:
hey,
I kept those. Since they need hibernation and spiderlings feed on the mother it´s not so easy to breed them. Additionally they´re protected here.


Man, that was lucky Bastian. I have read on their protection status and they seem to be protected in various other countries as well. If I'm correct they should be able to be sustained as a community of individuals, that's theory of course. I was thinking a 60 + gal tank. It would be interesting to see what kind of social life they live, if in fact they all contribute to their "society", and if they group per social status or not.

many other things about them are really interesting. The color variation between the three individual species, the difference of sexual organs and more.

Ahhhhhhh, let' do a field trip to Europe!!!!!!!.... ok back to reality. Sad
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 13, 2009 10:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

balam, good luck funding ANY Eresus in the US...There is only one person(outside of a couple universities) that has any...and he brought them in illegally.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 13, 2009 10:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I figured they had to be brought in that way...
I am ambivalent to both sides of the coin. on the one end, I am actually for stricter laws on collection and import of several species (BIG problem with mexican Brachys), but that also puts a huge squeeze on hobbyist everywhere.

It would be fun to get around getting some though Wink
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 13, 2009 6:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Those are really beautiful!
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 13, 2009 7:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

These are totally driving me crazy!!!!!!



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 13, 2009 7:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

All previous are males...
here is a lady,





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PostPosted: Fri Feb 13, 2009 7:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

E. sandaliatus

Very similar to E. cinnaberinus, but notice the hairs on the abdomen are bright orange, also there are two extra ebony spots towards the back of the abdomen. E. sandaliatus is a tad smaller in size and has never been found cohabiting with E. cinnaberinus.   Darn it why do I like these so much  Mad  !!!! Very Happy




Here the male tries to pick up the scent of a female with the organs on its legs.

Oh yeah, E. sandaliatus never has red hairs on the fourth legs either (whereas E. cinnaberinus does)
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 13, 2009 7:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Size comparison:

E. sandaliatus



Tiny and freaking awesome!!!!
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 13, 2009 7:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Talk about sexual dimorphism:




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PostPosted: Fri Feb 13, 2009 11:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, we'll have to catch you some jumping spiders...  the local red ones are almost as cute as those guys!  :-)
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 16, 2009 12:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Really? do you happen to know the sp?
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 16, 2009 9:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Phiddipus adumbratus and P. johnsoni.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 16, 2009 1:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not too shabby either.

P. adumbratus is really nice, P. johnsoni must be a real looker in person.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 16, 2009 2:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

THIS IS THE LIL GUY WE FOUND IN cABAZON




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PostPosted: Mon Feb 16, 2009 3:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

looks like P. adumbratus, but the carapace shows color differences... do you know the sp. Warren?

that is one nice little guy anyhow.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 16, 2009 3:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nope... Kevin probably knows what it is. I'm not very versed in true's
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 17, 2009 9:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

hi,
although they´re protected here, I´m officially allowed to keep a group of 8 specimen Wink
Even my CBs would be legal.

I know one site where they occur and I never found less than at least 10 webs per squaremeter.
Btw.: The cooccur with Atypus piceus.

Two pictures of the site:


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 17, 2009 10:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Bastian Drolshagen wrote:
hi,
although they´re protected here, I´m officially allowed to keep a group of 8 specimen Wink
Even my CBs would be legal.


Wow!!! that's nice... does the 8 specimen include your CB, or do they not fall under the permitted number...

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I know one site where they occur and I never found less than at least 10 webs per squaremeter.


I hate to burden you, but +10 per square meter sounds pretty good, are you researching these? and if so, how large of an area would you say they are limited to? (the area where you know they exist, I assume, is a wild area, if so, have you found them, let's say, 100 meters away?, 50 meters away? 25 meters away from the site where you know they inhabit? or are they endemic to a particular set of parameters that exist in the immediate vicinity of the area where you find them?

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Btw.: The cooccur with Atypus piceus.


That is one crazy looking sucker!!! Huge fangs. Found lots of info (in German... Damn I wish I could read German)

Looks like a mouse spider, haven't looked into it much, but I will, and if you don;t mind I will be asking you some questions on tis one as well.

Two pictures of the site:

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Thanks for the pics!!! Let's me imagine what a tank set up might look like Wink
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 18, 2009 7:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Atypus piceus seems to share looks with Sphodros rufipes. These are are awesome as well Smile
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Very interesting thread !


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