scabies.myfreeforum.org Forum Index scabies.myfreeforum.org
Southern California Arachnid, Bug, Invertebrate, Entomological Society
 
 FAQFAQ   SearchSearch   MemberlistMemberlist   UsergroupsUsergroups   Join! (free) Join! (free)  
 ProfileProfile   Log in to check your private messagesLog in to check your private messages   Log inLog in 

Komodos. After all these years...

 
Post new topic   Reply to topic    scabies.myfreeforum.org Forum Index -> BT - in situ
View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
Please Register and Login to this forum to stop seeing this advertsing.






Posted:     Post subject:

Back to top
ogershok



Joined: 16 Aug 2007
Posts: 835


Location: Oceanside, CA

PostPosted: Tue May 19, 2009 1:36 pm    Post subject: Komodos. After all these years... Reply with quote

We find out that they actually ARE venomous!
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20090...malkomodoaustralia_20090519073836
_________________
"I hold your opinion above all others, tribe elder." - Neshan W. Sarkisian

I have CDO. It's like OCD, but the letters are in alphabetical order, like they should be.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail
cacoseraph
SuperMod - General Operations Director


Joined: 23 Jul 2007
Posts: 4474


Location: Southern California, USA

PostPosted: Tue May 19, 2009 2:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

giant bite........ or venom
venom..... or giant bite

bite... venom.... venom... bite


wait i know!  both!
_________________
Quote:
There may be people who like centipedes. I have seen people handling tarantulas and scorpions, but never a centipede handler. I would regard such a person with deep suspicion...Now what sort of man or woman or monster would stroke a centipede on its underbelly "And here is my big good centipede." If such a man exists, I say kill him without more ado. He is a traitor to the human race.

William S. Burroughs The Western Lands

Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Visit poster's website Yahoo Messenger
balam
Mr.Gonzo


Joined: 19 Oct 2008
Posts: 1329


Location: San Gabriel

PostPosted: Tue May 19, 2009 2:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You are talking about the magnitude of the bite? well the venom in my opinion would really be de definitive factor in a kill. Komodos, though surprisingly fast in a sprint are relatively slow in the long chase, a bite might injure an animal in a life threatening way, but without the venom (which is apparently very fast acting) it still is just a giant bite (mind you I understand a giant bite means a GIANT bite Wink )

So the question really is, would they be able to make the kill without the venom glands?
_________________
God does not play at dice AE
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
cacoseraph
SuperMod - General Operations Director


Joined: 23 Jul 2007
Posts: 4474


Location: Southern California, USA

PostPosted: Tue May 19, 2009 3:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i thought their strategy was to make weeping wounds and let things bleed out, following a neon spore trail


the venom makes them bleed more, clot less, and have a lower blood pressure.  those three things combined with a bite that leaves gnarly wounds is quite powerful!  the bleed more and clot less factors help the animal to lose blood.  losing blood is bad because as i understand mammalian circulatory systems they need to like, maintain at least a minimum blood pressure to keep pumping and circulating oxygenated blood... and the venom ALSO causes a decrease in blood pressure!


i think the venom makes their bite much worse.. but by itself (say, injected like a front fang snake strike) probably wouldn't be hideous, as you would only have the lowering of blood pressure.  and i expect that the BP effect isn't *that* pronounced considering the venom was sort of ~hidden till now.  the combo of bite and venom is awesome Very Happy





also, i thought i read that all Iguanidae (or whatever) were found to have some kind of venom glands. i sort of remember when reading that the venom glands were either rudimentary or somehow not like "full/real" venom glands
_________________
Quote:
There may be people who like centipedes. I have seen people handling tarantulas and scorpions, but never a centipede handler. I would regard such a person with deep suspicion...Now what sort of man or woman or monster would stroke a centipede on its underbelly "And here is my big good centipede." If such a man exists, I say kill him without more ado. He is a traitor to the human race.

William S. Burroughs The Western Lands

Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Visit poster's website Yahoo Messenger
balam
Mr.Gonzo


Joined: 19 Oct 2008
Posts: 1329


Location: San Gabriel

PostPosted: Tue May 19, 2009 4:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Do they also attack in "packs"?
Guess whatever they get isn't go far anyway.
_________________
God does not play at dice AE
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
cacoseraph
SuperMod - General Operations Director


Joined: 23 Jul 2007
Posts: 4474


Location: Southern California, USA

PostPosted: Tue May 19, 2009 4:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i don't know and couldn't easily google anything


also, i guess i misremembered and it is agamids not iguanas that might have some kinda venomness to them
_________________
Quote:
There may be people who like centipedes. I have seen people handling tarantulas and scorpions, but never a centipede handler. I would regard such a person with deep suspicion...Now what sort of man or woman or monster would stroke a centipede on its underbelly "And here is my big good centipede." If such a man exists, I say kill him without more ado. He is a traitor to the human race.

William S. Burroughs The Western Lands

Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Visit poster's website Yahoo Messenger
ftorres
SuperMod - Embajador Espaņol


Joined: 23 Jul 2007
Posts: 1965



PostPosted: Tue May 19, 2009 4:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hello Andrew,
I think it was iguanids. They showed that iguanids might have venemous glands.

francisco
_________________
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
ogershok



Joined: 16 Aug 2007
Posts: 835


Location: Oceanside, CA

PostPosted: Wed May 20, 2009 8:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had a rather large bite on the side of my face years ago from a green iguana and it got inflamed, sore, and swollen really fast, a lot faster than anything I've ever seen. I even went to the doctor after the swelling started to spread. I suspect there might have been some factor involved other than the mechanical damage from the bite.
_________________
"I hold your opinion above all others, tribe elder." - Neshan W. Sarkisian

I have CDO. It's like OCD, but the letters are in alphabetical order, like they should be.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail
cacoseraph
SuperMod - General Operations Director


Joined: 23 Jul 2007
Posts: 4474


Location: Southern California, USA

PostPosted: Wed May 20, 2009 9:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

if it took days to swell i would lean towards infection

if it took hours to swell i would lean towards venom/something else



that is my general rule for centipede bites.


but of course we all know i only hold a degree in lunacy, so everything i take should be taken with quite a bit of NaCl (i call salt "nackle" sometimes... though i suppose since most table salt is also iodized i should call it nackly heh)
_________________
Quote:
There may be people who like centipedes. I have seen people handling tarantulas and scorpions, but never a centipede handler. I would regard such a person with deep suspicion...Now what sort of man or woman or monster would stroke a centipede on its underbelly "And here is my big good centipede." If such a man exists, I say kill him without more ado. He is a traitor to the human race.

William S. Burroughs The Western Lands

Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Visit poster's website Yahoo Messenger
Matt Kogler



Joined: 21 Dec 2008
Posts: 509



PostPosted: Wed May 20, 2009 9:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This isnt new news, Bryan Fry has been involved with this research for years.. He has even demonstrated that 99% of all snakes produce some kind of venom.. Great guy...
_________________
Reptile Rescue Orange County
(949) 394-5759
http://www.reptilerescueoc.webs.com
ocreptilerescue@gmail.com
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail
ogershok



Joined: 16 Aug 2007
Posts: 835


Location: Oceanside, CA

PostPosted: Wed May 20, 2009 9:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

cacoseraph wrote:
if it took days to swell i would lean towards infection. If it took hours to swell i would lean towards venom/something else


It took very little time. Not much more than an hour. I had a horseshoe shaped arch of cuts on the side of my face and shortly after the bite I could feel my lymph glands in my neck hurting. What was weird was the circumstances of the bite. I wasn't even holding him. He was sexually mature and really feeling his oats. He was in another room and looking at me from about ten feet away. With no warning he started running full-tilt at me and ran up my leg, across my lap and latched onto my face before I knew what was going on. Probably a territorial thing. He was usually really mellow. Prying him off wasn't fun.
_________________
"I hold your opinion above all others, tribe elder." - Neshan W. Sarkisian

I have CDO. It's like OCD, but the letters are in alphabetical order, like they should be.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail
cacoseraph
SuperMod - General Operations Director


Joined: 23 Jul 2007
Posts: 4474


Location: Southern California, USA

PostPosted: Wed May 20, 2009 10:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

that's crazy!  that gives you just enough time to say "oh crap, this is going to suck" before it gets you.


the lymph node thing is interesting... one of my three bad centipede bites had lymphatic affect... it felt like a golfball was lodged in my arm pit! luckily i head read it was possible or i might have been a little freaked out, heh



_________________
Quote:
There may be people who like centipedes. I have seen people handling tarantulas and scorpions, but never a centipede handler. I would regard such a person with deep suspicion...Now what sort of man or woman or monster would stroke a centipede on its underbelly "And here is my big good centipede." If such a man exists, I say kill him without more ado. He is a traitor to the human race.

William S. Burroughs The Western Lands

Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Visit poster's website Yahoo Messenger
Display posts from previous:   
Post new topic   Reply to topic    scabies.myfreeforum.org Forum Index -> BT - in situ All times are GMT - 8 Hours
Page 1 of 1

 
Jump to:  
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum

Card File  Gallery  Forum Archive
Powered by phpBB © 2001, 2002 phpBB Group
powered by ArgenBLUE free template
Create your own free forum | Buy a domain to use with your forum