Baby Flat Rock Scorpion (now Scorpions)!

Celeste · Baby Flat Rock Scorpion (now Scorpions)!

Just one(?) Actually, there is a second one in the enclosure, but it looks like a goner -- should I take it (the sickly one) out and try to rear it separately?

Any care tips would be appreciated! I tossed a couple of teeny baby crickets in there in case the young 'un wants to eat.

The mom is the female I got at the BBQ. :-> (And as you can tell, I discovered my digital camera has a macro setting... finally!)

This is H. paucidens, isn't it?

-- Celeste

cacoseraph

congrats!

if the mom isn't caring for the other baby i would say steal it for sure.

i have raised centipedes from the white stage... maybe can do the same for scorps

WBurke17

only 2?? Mom might be munching them.. at that stage there not going to eat yet, not till after they molt.. I would take out the sickly one and try to see if it will make it.

Celeste

The sickly baby was dead this morning, but there was a new third one (so two surviving babies at this point). I read somewhere on the internet that they give birth one at a time over a period of several days, so I'll keep an eye on her and keep you posted.

Mom was munching on a waxworm this morning (I made sure she had plenty of easy prey in there). However, she is VERY skittish, and dropped her waxworm and made one baby fall off when I disturbed her. I managed to put baby #3 back on her back again this morning. I hope it manages to stay there, and that more are born and survive.

(Sometimes you wonder how the heck these things survive in the wild...)

-- C

josh_r

congrats celeste! did you breed them or did u get her gravid???

~Abyss~

if you get another one like the the second one let me know. It was probaly the cricket that killed it. You can rear 1Instar scorpions but it's really hard. I always wanted to try it. Lokal wrote a good write up and I can send it your way.
-Eddy

Celeste

No -- I got her gravid at the BBQ two weeks ago. She originally came from Francisco. I have read that their gestation can be 18 months (or more!), so she must have bred a long time ago. It looks like they need high temps and humidity, so I'm going to move them into the reptile room when I get home. (Right now they're in the living room where it's only about 78-79F and very low humidity).

All that's in there [for feeders] right now are some teensy-weensy crickets (much smaller than the baby scorps), as well as a bunch of waxworms and a couple of dubia nymphs for mom. But I can take the baby crickets out if they aren't going to eat yet.

-- Celeste

~Abyss~

high humidity?, I always kept mine in a mix of dry cocofiber and sand.

ftorres

Hello Celeste,
I would not keep them too humid.
Normal humidity is fine, higher temps are good for them.

Babies won't feed until off the mom at L2.

Good luck

It is so funny most of the girls I have part with had babies, I just hope the ones I have left do the same soon

Firts Ron's
then Celeste's

Celeste, can I see pics of the entiry enclosure???

kind regards

francisco

Celeste

Hmmm... The first few sites I checked indicated high humidity, but now I'm finding conflicting info... Anyone know of a good *authoritative* source for care info on this species?

Have you kept many of them, Abyss? Had good success with them under dry conditions? Ever had any babies?

I would think that under rocks they might find a moister microenvironment. (Sulcata tortoises, for example, even though they live in very arid regions of Africa require humidity because they typically hang out in humid underground burrows in the wild. Babies in particular have to be misted and placed in a dish of water daily to keep them hydrated, or they can go into renal failure).

(I hope a discussion of Hadogenes care is not inappropriate for scabies?)

I was suspecting that the dry conditions were why that one baby died. I'd really like to hear back from anyone who has successfully raised babies, in particular, because they might require higher humidity than the adults in any case.

In the meantime, I've got them in the reptile room at about 84 degrees and 60-65% ambient humidity (higher if I mist some paper towels in their enclosure).

-- Celeste

ftorres

Hello Celeste,

The South African species are a little different than the Tanzanian species.

Tanzanian require more savanna enviroment. so 84 f is great, 60-65% these should be good for the little one(s) you can go up to 70-75%hum but keep the ventilation good.

The key is to keep the hum higher with a lot of ventilation.

regards

francisco

PS I currently have 3 CB babies that I kept from my very first batch. they are around 3-4 inches in total lenght

Celeste

Not much to see on the enclosure, Francisco -- just a small kritter keeper (was planning to get her a bigger one), sand substrate, a rock, a damp paper towel, and some cardboard to hide under. I had a bigger piece of slate in there for her to hide under, but she didn't fit under it with the babies so I took it out and put the cardboard in instead.

You can just barely see her and the two babies under the cardboard in the second picture.

-- Celeste

Celeste

So I have the Tanzanian species?

~Abyss~

They grow really slow, I gave away the first baby I ever owned to Warren because I can't handle them growing so slowly. YEah I guess I can add this to my species of caresheets I'm working on. I have tons. I've had about three in my lifetime two of them comunal... not a good idea. If you happen to have another one that doens't go on mom's back let me know. I can help you. But umm....wait heres one http://scorpionforum.darkbb.com/s...flat-rock-scorpions-t40.htm#3957. That's from Mike one of my staff members on SF. He's reliable. Hope that helps if you have any questions feel free to ask and if you don't feel comfortable posting here about an african species well there is this one scorpion forum I heard of... Rolling Eyes

-Eddy

ftorres

hello Celeste,

Yes, H paucidens

The babies have been with me for 2 years or so.

This particular scorpions live in one place for long long time, they seem to stay in their hide for ever.

So simple enclosures seem to work best for them.

good luck with the little ones.

francisco

Celeste

Three babies and counting!

(The shapeless beige blob on the left is just a waxworm for mom).

Boy this is nerve-wracking!

-- C

cacoseraph

i believe paturation can take like up to 5 or 7 days in some cases

Celeste

Up to six babies now. You can see four on her back and one beside her in this picture, but I'm pretty sure I could see another one underneath her.

(Sorry for the messy condition of her cage -- she is so skittish I am even afraid to open her cage up and get these photos).

-- Celeste

~Abyss~

Best thing to do is leave her alone for a few weeks. YOu don't want to stress her out it could (and many times has) lead to canabalism.
-Eddy

Celeste

Well, it's almost three weeks later now, and we're down to just two surviving babies on her back. There were three a week ago, but one got dislodged while I was trying to clean the enclosure, and mom tried to eat it. I took it out and put it in a separate enclosure, but it was dead the next morning. (Mom had pinched it and brought it to her mouth to try to eat it when I took it away from her).

The two remaining appear to have molted (although one of them not completely). One baby has a cute little miniature tail on it now, and the other one I can't tell because it has some unshed exoskeleton on it or something.

Can I safely remove them from mom at this point? I would sure like to get a closer look at the one that looks like it hasn't molted completely, and offer them some size-appropriate prey.

-- Celeste

WBurke17

Wait till they are off and wondering, b4 removing could lead to more canabalism

Celeste

First baby left mom today:

Just too adorable for words!!! :-)

Mom still has one other baby on her back.

-- Celeste

~Abyss~

They'll be wondering off soon enough. Cool try raising to adulthood...

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Baby Flat Rock Scorpion (now Scorpions)!

Re: Baby Flat Rock Scorpion (now Scorpions)!