Could I get a few ID's here?

rosenkrieger · Could I get a few ID's here?

Did some unplanned collecting and photographing today. Opened up a folding camping chair that had been sitting in a field all winter by the horse's round pen at BamBaboon's grandparents property and found about 5 spiders.

First is a little jumping spider that was webbed up on the chair

Second is a huntsman, I think, of some sort.

There were also 2 Brown Recluse's. Though I didn't think about it when I was photographing.

And here is the only spider I brought home.

And wtf is up with its abdomen?

BamBaboons

You brought home the ugliest damn spider on that whole mountain.

rosenkrieger

Did ya expect any less from me, hun? Razz

Steven

First one is not a jumper thats for sure unless you mixed up what images you posted...its a sheet web/grass spider or something like that.

2nd isnt a spider. Least it looks just like the Opiliones ive been running into lately. ...Common name: Harvestmen (in some regions people call them "daddy long-legs")

3rd one is probably a Sparassidae sp.
Looks like it may have a parasitic worm or other nasty like that.

What

The first is an agelenid.

Steven is correct on the 2nd, it is indeed a harvestman.

And the third is an Olios sp.(only type of Sparassidae native to California).

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Also, I highly doubt you were finding brown recluses(L. reclusa), these dont range anywhere near California nor do they exist here outside of micro-populations and spider collections. They may have been male Kukulcania sp. or even the native flavors of Loxosceles.

Steven

IF anyone finds Loxosceles ..please confirm ID best you can.. 3 PAIR of eyes (6 eyes). I am VERY interested in collecting lox AND it would be cool to know exactly ..how/where/when.

In some ways we are splitting hairs when it comes to CA Lox species vs. the famous Brown Recluse. ...They are, afterall pretty much the same. My suggestion is that we try not to use the common name "Brown Recluse" or even just "recluse" ...because these names are so loaded and known. "Recluse sp." sorta works.. "Loxosceles sp" or just "Loxosceles' works even better. I also like "California Goldielox" and really like "SuperCalifornialisticLoxoalidocious" ... Wink

rosenkrieger

Thanks guys. I knew the second one was a harvestman of some sort. I just wasn't sure about the other two. I'll have to upload pictures (I thought I did) of those ones I thought were the recluses.

cacoseraph

agree

agelenindae
harvestman
olios that is assed out

if something crawls out of the olios please do try to document it!

good finds. agel' make cool sheets webs that they add to constantly, harvestmen are only arachinds (i don't count ticks and mites) that is not carnivore obligate, and the olios is one of the largest true spiders native to CA that i know of Smile

incidentily, the olios might have a built in humidity gauge... the darker the feet the more into the moist range it is.

none are dangerous but the agel and olios have the potential to give mechanically damaging bites depending on size

rosenkrieger

I've got the Olios in a bare ziploc type container? Is that adequate housing for it? I'm asking because it'd be easier to take photos of anything that crawls out of the spider in it.

here's that other spider:

balam

God pics man.

I can only input in the one I actually know, and that is your first pic. Sure looks like an Agelenidae, Your last two pics also look like Agelenidae or some sort of wolf.

Second one is a Harvestman, and the Olios, well, I'm not versed in them but I hear they are pretty cool spiders.... (where is Johnny, he really likes Olios sp.)

If I'm correct the penultimate picture (presumed Loxoceles) sort of shows his "gloves".... It's a male Smile

cacoseraph

i don't see any pics of lox... the last spider to be pictured is probably a lycosidae or another agel'

if it makes any kind of sheet web i would lean hard towards agel, if it makes no webs then i would kind of lean towards wolf

i believe lox are closer to cribelate (wooly) web than "normal" web, which could be slightly diagnostic, but not a big help

rosenkrieger

Didn't see any webs around either of them.

Steven

Once you really 'see' a loxosceles ...you wont get fooled very often anymore. They are like aliens compared to most other ground spiders. I, now and then run into a male kuk... probably 1 molt from maturity...that gets me excited thinkin I found a huge lox, but once I get a decent gander I know its not one.

balam

rosenkrieger

Steven

Nope not a kuk ..just saying that male kuks are the only spidies that i see and sometime think(wishful) they are Loxosceles. They have a strange body shape sorta like a lox and they have a certain floating yet robotic movement...hard to explain...but its almost like how a lox moves around. Plus both can be found in or around cribelate webbing. ...yes, like Andrew stated.. Loxos, when they DO web up an area, the webbing is very cribelate.

Johnny

Olios bite hurts a bit but nothing big,,,, then again it was a sling....