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| balam |
Eresus cinnaberinusAhhhh....I drool every single time I see this pic. These are so interesting, I'm just reading up on them but at least some sp. seem to be social... in fact somewhere in wiki I read they are almost eusocial, participating in social rearing of their young and such. Great distribution in Europe, with the exception of Great Britain (I think). (this is without counting the fact that the taxon has been divided into three species) This is a little male: (pics from WikiPedia) 
I shall now find me some CB babies or something like that . . . (high hopes) 
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| WBurke17 |
Those are very cool lookin, I wouldnt mind acouple myself 
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| balam |
I have a couple of ppl that go in and out of Europe very often, though I highly doubt they would collect for me (not too fond of bugs  )
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| a1_collection |
Very nice looking spider. | ||||||
| Bastian Drolshagen |
hey,
I kept those. Since they need hibernation and spiderlings feed on the mother it´s not so easy to breed them. Additionally they´re protected here. |
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| balam |
Man, that was lucky Bastian. I have read on their protection status and they seem to be protected in various other countries as well. If I'm correct they should be able to be sustained as a community of individuals, that's theory of course. I was thinking a 60 + gal tank. It would be interesting to see what kind of social life they live, if in fact they all contribute to their "society", and if they group per social status or not. many other things about them are really interesting. The color variation between the three individual species, the difference of sexual organs and more. Ahhhhhhh, let' do a field trip to Europe!!!!!!!.... ok back to reality.
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| What |
balam, good luck funding ANY Eresus in the US...There is only one person(outside of a couple universities) that has any...and he brought them in illegally. | ||||||
| balam |
I figured they had to be brought in that way...
I am ambivalent to both sides of the coin. on the one end, I am actually for stricter laws on collection and import of several species (BIG problem with mexican Brachys), but that also puts a huge squeeze on hobbyist everywhere. It would be fun to get around getting some though 
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| Celeste |
Those are really beautiful! | ||||||
| balam |
These are totally driving me crazy!!!!!!
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| balam |
All previous are males...
here is a lady, 
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| balam |
E. sandaliatus
Very similar to E. cinnaberinus, but notice the hairs on the abdomen are bright orange, also there are two extra ebony spots towards the back of the abdomen. E. sandaliatus is a tad smaller in size and has never been found cohabiting with E. cinnaberinus. Darn it why do I like these so much  !!!! 
Here the male tries to pick up the scent of a female with the organs on its legs. Oh yeah, E. sandaliatus never has red hairs on the fourth legs either (whereas E. cinnaberinus does) |
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| balam |
Size comparison:
E. sandaliatus 
Tiny and freaking awesome!!!! |
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| balam |
Talk about sexual dimorphism:
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| Celeste |
Well, we'll have to catch you some jumping spiders... the local red ones are almost as cute as those guys! :-) | ||||||
| balam |
Really? do you happen to know the sp? | ||||||
| What |
Phiddipus adumbratus and P. johnsoni. | ||||||
| balam |
Not too shabby either.
P. adumbratus is really nice, P. johnsoni must be a real looker in person. |
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| WBurke17 |
THIS IS THE LIL GUY WE FOUND IN cABAZON
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| balam |
looks like P. adumbratus, but the carapace shows color differences... do you know the sp. Warren?
that is one nice little guy anyhow. |
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| WBurke17 |
Nope... Kevin probably knows what it is. I'm not very versed in true's | ||||||
| Bastian Drolshagen |
hi,
although they´re protected here, I´m officially allowed to keep a group of 8 specimen
Even my CBs would be legal. I know one site where they occur and I never found less than at least 10 webs per squaremeter. Btw.: The cooccur with Atypus piceus. Two pictures of the site: 
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| balam |
Wow!!! that's nice... does the 8 specimen include your CB, or do they not fall under the permitted number...
I hate to burden you, but +10 per square meter sounds pretty good, are you researching these? and if so, how large of an area would you say they are limited to? (the area where you know they exist, I assume, is a wild area, if so, have you found them, let's say, 100 meters away?, 50 meters away? 25 meters away from the site where you know they inhabit? or are they endemic to a particular set of parameters that exist in the immediate vicinity of the area where you find them?
That is one crazy looking sucker!!! Huge fangs. Found lots of info (in German... Damn I wish I could read German) Looks like a mouse spider, haven't looked into it much, but I will, and if you don;t mind I will be asking you some questions on tis one as well. Two pictures of the site:
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Thanks for the pics!!! Let's me imagine what a tank set up might look like
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| balam |
Atypus piceus seems to share looks with Sphodros rufipes. These are are awesome as well
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| Johnny |
Very interesting thread ! | ||||||
| balam |
I asked Bastian to send me some info and he sent me a very detailed phylogenetic revision on the central european distribution of them. Great paper (haven't finished the 25 pages).
Damn, I want these guys more than ever
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| Bastian Drolshagen |
hi
That does not include CBs, only adult specimen that have been collected.
I´m not really researching them, I just visit the site once-twice a year in order to check on the population development. As far as I saw so far they´re not as limited as A. piceus. A. piceus occurs only on the bank you see in the pictures, whereas E. kollari occur around the whole area, also in the flatlands surrounding. |
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| balam |
yup.
they are still in my head (btw, I can't change the heading to just Eresus sp. being that I now have found Eresus cinnaberinus to be what they call a nomen dubium) Anyhow, want to see some awesome E. sandaliatus
check this out: http://www.biopix.dk/Species.asp?...ndaliatus&Category=Arthropoda |
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| balam |
Burrow (most likely looking for a female)
http://www.biopix.dk/Photo.asp?La...2955&Photo=Eresus-sandaliatus |
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| balam |
One of the locals.
Male P. johnsoni (have some females as well )
These are beautiful as well (Kevin, thank you for the heads up on the sp. available in the area), this specimen came from Caco's Burnedlands |
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| balam |
Female P. johnsoni
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| Bastian Drolshagen |
Eresus kollari male:
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| WBurke17 |
OHHH thats nice lookin. looks like it has a button on its back | ||||||
| balam |
Hey Bastian,
That male is a looker . Is it mating season? or is he out for a stroll?
E. kollari has some red (orange?) on legs III & IV right? I don't think E. sandaliatus shares that trait. So, is this one of your guys or is he a wild guy?
thank you for sharing the pic. |
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| Bastian Drolshagen |
hey,
I caught and kept him. Please note that I took that picture some years ago. He´s still preserved in alcohol here and keyed out as E. cinnaberinus, which is considered a junior syonym of E. kollari since 2008. Atm it´s not mating season, this should start in june+july I think. I´m going to visit the habitat this year again, certainly going to take some pictures. |
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| balam |
Mating season around the corner...
So, they occur with : http://www.biopix.dk/Photo.asp?La...Id=28208&Photo=Atypus-affinis wouldn't mind these guys either
What would you say the egg count on E. kollari? |
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| Bastian Drolshagen |
hi,
I got some females and juveniles males recently
Females are carrying sacs... 
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| balam |
 Wow!
Good job Bastian
That pic totally 
How was the survey? Did you see higher numbers than last year? Once again 
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| Krawll |
Hey scabies
I've read this whole thread yesterday and i have to admit it was the frst time i ever heard of that Genus . Today i went to Insecthobbyists.com forum to see if there were any new ID requests and guess what ::lol::... Someone had posted a pic of that same spider asking what it is haha. Anyways , just thought i'd let you guys know that this guy's spider was found in Opympia , Greece. http://forums.insecthobbyist.com/view.php?id=22230,22230 the adress above will lead you to that guy's post. I also copied the adress to this thread here on hobbyists forum thinking this guy could learn everything he wants to know by reading your posts :-) Krawll |
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| Bastian Drolshagen |
hi,
no, not higher numbers than last year - how should I find higher numbers when there´re at least 3-5 webs/burrows per squaremeter ^^ Atypus piceus cannot be found that often in the habitat, but maybe I just overlooked some of their burrows. Unfortunately I forgot my camera, but since I´m there again in about 1 month I´m going to take pictures then. @Krawll: Depending on the size I´d go for Eresus walckenaeri. |
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