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Jules

Major Shock!!!!

I was taking a quick cursory look at the inverts in Kassie's room before going to bed Saturday evening and was completely shocked by what I saw!!

Larry, the little P. silvestrii scorpion I acquired a while back was out and appeared to have a clump of sand stuck on his back. No way was I going to put my hands in there and try to clean it off but I did get a flash light to investigate more closely.  

We're no longer calling him Larry but her Laurie!!!!  Shocked







I don't know the first thing about Scorpion babies. I am guessing these are still 1st instar?? Eddy, where are you dude?? I need your expert advice.

I searched AB for info about P. silvestrii in general and could find very little info and nothing about babies. Is this little girl a P. silvestrii for certain? I'll need to know now as it looks like I might need to find some good homes for her babies. I'd like to be confident enough to tell people what they are.

It is such an unbelievable sight. I have never seen anything like this before. I don't even know exactly where the kid I got her from collected her. Maybe he went hiking/hunting with you guys on a previous hike? I am guessing that BugMom's is a male or perhaps this girl was gravid when he collected her. I still can't believe it every time I see her out.

Scorpions just keep getting more fun!!   Laughing
GideonSmith08

Great! Good luck!
Jules

GideonSmith08 wrote:
Great! Good luck!


Thanks! These are my first and very unexpected Scorpion babies!

Hey, is that Will Ferrell from SNL's Cowbell skit on your avatar? That one is a classic!!
Celeste

CONGRATULATIONS, JULES!!!  Aren't they adorable?!?!

Now you know how I felt when I saw that first baby on my Flat Rock Scorpion's back.  Just amazing, isn't it?  I love how they care for their young.

-- Celeste
Dystempered

Re: Major Shock!!!!

Jules wrote:
I was taking a quick cursory look at the inverts in Kassie's room before going to bed Saturday evening and was completely shocked by what I saw!!

Larry, the little P. silvestrii scorpion I acquired a while back was out and appeared to have a clump of sand stuck on his back. No way was I going to put my hands in there and try to clean it off but I did get a flash light to investigate more closely.  

We're no longer calling him Larry but her Laurie!!!!  Shocked







I don't know the first thing about Scorpion babies. I am guessing these are still 1st instar?? Eddy, where are you dude?? I need your expert advice.

I searched AB for info about P. silvestrii in general and could find very little info and nothing about babies. Is this little girl a P. silvestrii for certain? I'll need to know now as it looks like I might need to find some good homes for her babies. I'd like to be confident enough to tell people what they are.

It is such an unbelievable sight. I have never seen anything like this before. I don't even know exactly where the kid I got her from collected her. Maybe he went hiking/hunting with you guys on a previous hike? I am guessing that BugMom's is a male or perhaps this girl was gravid when he collected her. I still can't believe it every time I see her out.

Scorpions just keep getting more fun!!   ::Laughing::


Hello Jules,

Actually, NOTHING about the species in your photo suggests it to be P. silvestrii or any other member of genus Paruroctonus. That would be P. silvestrii only *IF* the first-instar young were oriented randomly on the dorsum of the maternal female. However, the young of Paruroctonus orient randomly on the dorsa of maternal females during the dorsal transport stage. What you probably have is either Vaejovis puritanus or a very closely-related species. In the United States, only the young of the members of the genera Pseudouroctonus, Serradigitus, and Vaejovis (most species) exhibit the uniform and orderly pattern of longitudinal orientation. Congrats on a nice brood of "kids".

Cheers,
Luc
Jules

Re: Major Shock!!!!

Dystempered wrote:

 
Hello Jules,

Actually, NOTHING about the species in your photo suggests it to be P. silvestrii or any other member of genus Paruroctonus. That would be P. silvestrii only *IF* the first-instar young were oriented randomly on the dorsum of the maternal female. However, the young of Paruroctonus orient randomly on the dorsa of maternal females during the dorsal transport stage. What you probably have is either Vaejovis puritanus or a very closely-related species. In the United States, only the young of the members of the genera Pseudouroctonus, Serradigitus, and Vaejovis (most species) exhibit the uniform and orderly pattern of longitudinal orientation. Congrats on a nice brood of "kids".

Cheers,
Luc


Interesting! I appreciate your input. This is the same scorp you and Eddy were debating the species on my previous thread.

http://scabies.myfreeforum.org/about2001.html

If the organization of her brood helps identify her species that would be great. As I said earlier, I am very new to scorpions. However, if anyone can give me some specific pointers I will try to get some better pics after the babies leave her back. I'd love to get a more definite confirmation on her species.

I can bring her to our next BBBQ if that would be better as well.

Jules
BugMom

Okay Jules, way to steal my thunder!  Ha ha!  I was coming online just now to tell you that my "P. silvestrii" or whatever it is had babies too!  And we had also thought it a male.   Embarassed Not so much anymore!  I also know nothing about baby scorps.  How long will they ride mama's back?  Then how long do I have to get them out before she eats them?  I would post pictures, but my camera is charging.  Maybe tomorrow.  I guess this explains why my little scorpion was getting so "fat"!
WBurke17

They will be on momma for about 1-2 weeks. its usually easier to take the female out of the enclosure then the other way around. also a good idea to get a black light when you go to seperate them, makes them easier to find. also some fruit flies will work for there first meal or mushed up crix.
I have had 6 babies in the same enclosure for about 1 year and have only lost 1 to date, unknown circumstance.

hope that helps..
Warren
BugMom

Okay good that gives me some time.  I don't even have containers yet.  I check each critter everyday at morning and again at night, so the babies were born sometime yesterday for sure. Thanks for the tips!
~Abyss~

These guys are canabalistic if hungry and they are picky feeders so I SUGGEST you seperate them although I also have had success keeping them together with only ONE case of cannabalism.  Good luck with kids.
Jules

BugMom wrote:
Okay Jules, way to steal my thunder!  Ha ha!  I was coming online just now to tell you that my "P. silvestrii" or whatever it is had babies too!  And we had also thought it a male.   Embarassed Not so much anymore!  I also know nothing about baby scorps.  How long will they ride mama's back?  Then how long do I have to get them out before she eats them?  I would post pictures, but my camera is charging.  Maybe tomorrow.  I guess this explains why my little scorpion was getting so "fat"!



Hey Christy,

That is so freaking awesome!! Isn't it just a mind blowing sight!?!?! I guess even more so when you are absolutely not expecting it!!

Definitely get pics! I can actually see my little babies much better in the pics on my computer. Little tiny, perfect scorplings! You could also make a mini photo album to show with the scorp mom at the talks you give.

Hey Eddy and Warren,

Thanks for the info. I'm not sure if mine are getting a little bigger but the definitely look a little different. Just last night I saw a tiny spec in the sand. It is so tiny; I honestly can't tell if it is a molt or dead baby. Of course I've never seen a scorp exo before either.

I will definitely be bringing my girlie to the next BBQ to hopefully get a positive ID.

Thanks everyone! Smile
Celeste

Jules and Christy,

it's easy:  after their first molt, they leave mommy's back and that's when you separate them from mom.  Also, after their first molt, they darken and look more like real scorpions as opposed to just "grubs"!  ;-)   They get cute little tails and everything.

-- Celeste
Jules

Thanks Celeste,

I honestly never thought I could get this excited over a scorpion. I never planned to keep her when I knew she was part of the group I was picking up from that kid but I've been crazy about this little scorp since the day I brought her home.

I know I will be really bummed if anything happens to the babies now. They are so tiny its hard to believe they are a little life. I look forward to checking on her in the evenings when I know she'll be out with her babies.

I hope someone can I'd her for me at the BBQ.

WOW!! Just spotted a Praying Mantis in my yard!! Gotta go get the camera!!!
Dystempered

Re: Major Shock!!!!

Jules wrote:
Dystempered wrote:

 
Hello Jules,

Actually, NOTHING about the species in your photo suggests it to be P. silvestrii or any other member of genus Paruroctonus. That would be P. silvestrii only *IF* the first-instar young were oriented randomly on the dorsum of the maternal female. However, the young of Paruroctonus orient randomly on the dorsa of maternal females during the dorsal transport stage. What you probably have is either Vaejovis puritanus or a very closely-related species. In the United States, only the young of the members of the genera Pseudouroctonus, Serradigitus, and Vaejovis (most species) exhibit the uniform and orderly pattern of longitudinal orientation. Congrats on a nice brood of "kids".

Cheers,
Luc


Interesting! I appreciate your input. This is the same scorp you and Eddy were debating the species on my previous thread.

http://scabies.myfreeforum.org/about2001.html

If the organization of her brood helps identify her species that would be great. As I said earlier, I am very new to scorpions. However, if anyone can give me some specific pointers I will try to get some better pics after the babies leave her back. I'd love to get a more definite confirmation on her species.

I can bring her to our next BBBQ if that would be better as well.

Jules


Jules,

The dorsal orientation patterns can assist in differentiating between several families and genera but rarely to specific level. To date, the young (I1) of all Vaejovis species of which such data is available exhibit a longitudinal pattern of dorsal oriention except for 4 species (I suspect other Vaejovis spp. will be discovered as well) in which the young orient randomly. The young of Paruroctonus species orient randomly. Outside of the family Vaejovidae, longitudinal orientation only occurs in some members of the family Buthidae (Babycurus, Centruroides, Isometrus, Lychas, Microtityus, Tityus).
Longitudinally-oriented first-instar young are always arranged into a single layer, orient anteriad, with the anterior surface of the prosoma in direct continuous contact with the integument of the maternal female. Randomly-oriented offspring are arranged in multiple layers, do not orient in the same direction, and are not always in contact with the integument of maternal females. The third type of dorsal oriention is the transverse patter which has only been identified to occur in the young of Diplocentrus whitei but also occurs in several scorpionids.
The young of the specimen in your photo clearly orient longitudinally indicating that it is not a Paruroctonus species. If it is not V. puritanus then, it is a very-closely related species. The only other option would be a member of genus Serradigitus and it does not appear to be a member of that genus.

Cheers,
Luc
Dystempered

Celeste wrote:
Jules and Christy,

it's easy:  after their first molt, they leave mommy's back and that's when you separate them from mom.  Also, after their first molt, they darken and look more like real scorpions as opposed to just "grubs"!  ;-)   They get cute little tails and everything.

-- Celeste


Additionally, after the first molt to the second-instar the young are vagile, can feed, construct retreats, and can deliver venom via the aculeus.

Luc
Celeste

Just curious, Luc:  would the babies be able to penetrate our skin with their stingers at that size?  I didn't think my baby Hadogenes would have been at all capable of that -- they were so tiny.

-- Celeste
BugMom



Here's little "Frodo" the new Mommy.  Aren't they precious?
Celeste

AAAWWWWWWWWW!!!!!!!!   Just *adorable*, Christy!  Congratulations!
Jules

Awesome Christy!

Little Frodo and her brood look just like my Larry and her kids when I found them!!

I'm hoping to catch a peak at my girl out tonight. She doesn't come out as often as she did and I don't want to disturb her.

This is probably a dumb question but here it goes anyway... Baby scorpions can't climb can they? I remember a thread a while back where somebody's girlfriend (Kyle maybe?) Awoke to find a scorpion in the bed. How did it get out?
lizmotobike

wow! how amazing. a bug with what looks like social rearing. i never was interested in scorps but now i might have to reassess. i liked that spiders carried their sacs and were defensive, but this seems more. is it?
crash714

How weird?!?! My scorp that I caught in San Diego had babies Friday night, almost looks identical!!!!!! Shocked
Jules

Very cool Eric! I don't actually know where mine and Christy's scorps were collected. Does anyone have any contact info for TheJackel (Jason if I remember correctly)? Does anyone know his screen name on AB?

Oh Liz, I felt just like you until I got this little guy (or gal). This was a very interesting invert to observe even before she had babies. I know I will always be more of a T person but I was already asking Francisco about other scorps!! Shocked

You can have a couple of my babies if you want to give them a try. In fact, just tonight I saw the first one out on its own, climbing on the cork bark. I'm guessing they'll all be off her back in a couple days and I can start separating and feeding. Its really cool. I can't believe how tiny they are!!
BugMom

Frodo is out every night just like normal.  I gave her a little waxworm last night and she ate it up (got that idea from you Celeste).  Hope it will fill her up so she won't want to munch the babies.  Nobody has jumped ship yet.  My kids are so excited.  Everytime we have babies they end up with a cage of their own "pick of the litter" in their rooms.  These scorps are such cute little noodles.  And whatever the species turns out to be, they are way more visible than the Emperors.   Smile
Jules

I separated out the babies a couple nights ago. I managed to catch 37 of the little buggers! Shocked There are a couple more that I couldn't get off the cork bark. Almost all the babies were using the nooks and crannies as hides. I wish I had thought about that ahead of time. Oh well, I left them with mom and will leave their fate up to the scorpion gods.

I offered some of them fruit flies (flightless) and some halved meal worms. I never did see any of them eating. Should I try something else?

They are so tiny and speedy; it's really a trip!
WBurke17

Nope just keep offering them the flies and bits of bugs and eventually they will eat.
noexcuse4you

Closeup of Jules' scorpion.

crash714

I just got all my babies in cups too, all 53 of them! If anybody wants some, come and get one of them!

                                             Eric
Jules

53!!! Shocked

I guess I can't complain about 38! Actually, I think 37. #38 was still in the enclosure with mom because he always hides in the crevices of the cork bark. However, I have a sneaky feeling he may have decided to leave when the cork bark was sitting on the table during the photo session. I haven't been able to find him since I got home last night.

Heads up Tim! You might have one extra rogue scorpling left over from the BBBQ!! Shocked

crash714 wrote:
I just got all my babies in cups too, all 53 of them! If anybody wants some, come and get one of them!

                                             Eric
GideonSmith08

Thank you Jules for bringing these to the bbq. I got 2 for free (remember, I was the kid with the longish hair asking you what species these were?)
BugMom

I'm sorry I couldn't be at the BBQ, would have liked to unload some scorplings.  I separated mine out and got 45.  Frodo is doing great and she didn't eat anybody (what a good mom).  I fed them flightless fruit flies and actually got to see some of them eat.

Do they need water at all?  Or is there enough moisture in the flies?

Jules, were they able to identify the species at the BBQ?

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