unnamed CA traps?

sick4x4 · unnamed CA traps?

what ever happened to this species??? did anyone do any more write ups on it??? i think Steven was trying at one time right?

sick4x4

maybe this is in the wrong place... Confused

cacoseraph

I believe we arrived at Aptostichus species

unfortunately the most recent workers in the genus estimate 30+ species, only 7 of which have been described. A lot of the species are either cryptic or at least morphologically indistinguishable from female specimens :/

I have another example of this genus that is on an eggsac right now Smile

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums...hunt/BL/mar09mid/bonus_myg02b.jpg

check out this amazing pic of the variations in abdomen coloration and patterns
http://www.informaworld.com/cache...420969/usyb_a_330411_o_f0003g.png

sick4x4

thats unfortunate... i know i have a few from when you guys went collecting from robert, i think that was his name....are they specific to a general locale.....

balam

Do you have ventral shots of this Wayne?
Or a well preserved molt?

I think sexual organs might help in the id.
If that's even possible at this point.

How else could one go about Id'ing it?

ftorres

Hello,
I can probably take the specimen or the molts or pics to some people at the Museum or theLorquin society.

francisco

cacoseraph

it is not likely you can find out exactly what it is from anyone. even if you can find morphological characteristics that key out to a species it is likely the species is a complex that needs genetic and geographic analysis to have actual species hammered out. think on the lines of the Avic problem

check out this paper to see what i mean:
http://www.informaworld.com/smpp/...a901420969&fulltext=713240928
specifically the paragraph under the heading "The Aptostichus atomarius Complex"

sick4x4

gotcha...anyone remember where they were collected from?

WBurke17

Steven has that location locked up in a top secret vault, buried somewhere in his backyard.. too bad he was testing some new scotch and forgot where he placed it.... ::lol::
Nah but really Steven and Kevin know where it is Wink

Andrew was there but he dont know his directions very well Shocked

sick4x4

well i have some blue label or 20 year old macallan's we can open and talk shop if it will help them remember.....i sip 12 year old macallan's when i pine over BTS journals....you know me im all about high-end ::lol::...

cacoseraph

yeah, as it turns out all hills start looking the same after a while :/

i think you would be safe enough saying they come from Glendale, CA, though.