Yellow sac ( Cheiracanthium mildei ) eggsac

Krawll · Yellow sac ( Cheiracanthium mildei ) eggsac

Hey people.

My C. mildei made an eggsac earlier today. I guess thats what i get for laughing when johnny said his brand new Olios crab spider layed an Eggsac hahaha. That Eggsac would also explain why she was so fat. She is alot slimmer now.

And since i've always been a very lucky guy, she decided to make her websac at the bottom of her jar instead of the top like most sac spiders do ::lol::. So there is nothing i can do about the eggsac untill it hatches . I don't even know how long it will take before it hatches. I also don't know how many spiderlings to expect. To be honest, this species of spider is not realy the one i would've chosen to breed as my first spider breeding experience ever. And only one month and a half after i started developing interest for that hobby ::lol::.

I'm seriously thinking about leaving the jar open , somewhere outside, away from my house. Since there has been ALOT of rain lately , i should probably tape the jar onto a tree with the mouth of the jar facing down .

I think that way it would make it harder for predators to figure out how to get inside the jar and it would also protect both the mother and the eggsac from the rain. The websac she made seems to be solid enough to hold the whole thing inside the jar .

Here are some pictures i took about 30 minutes ago. Plus a short video of the spider inside her websac taking care of the eggs.

- Picture 1 : http://i283.photobucket.com/album...0/Krawll02/My%20pets/DSCN2774.jpg
- Picture 2 : http://i283.photobucket.com/album...0/Krawll02/My%20pets/DSCN2775.jpg

- Short video : http://s283.photobucket.com/album...ion=view&current=DSCN2773.flv

The annoying sound in the background is made by the camera . It's constantly trying to get the best focus ::lol::.

Johnny

Yeah dude, I personally wouldnt want all them little nasty fudgers anywhere in the house (only cuz I wouldnt want to take care of them). Just wait a week or even until they hatch and let them out in the yard,...Ive done that many times with local species only.

Jules

I just googled C. mildei because I wanted to know more about the spider you have.

I have no idea how accurate this is but the first site that came up said they only have ~40 eggs.

http://bugguide.net/node/view/3384

After a short read; I don't think I'd want those hatching in my house!!

Krawll

Aiight , since both of you spider lovers are saying that you both wouldn't want that species in your house, i guess i'll release the brood as soon as it hatches. But definatly not in my own yard hehe. Those spiders like to be inside buildings or crawling on the walls outside and since my niece is only 1 year old and she lives in the same house as i do , i'm not gonna release potentialy dangerous spiders in my yard.

Some of my niece's toys are also outside in the back yard and she plays with them often. I think i'll just bring them back to the building where i work. i'll leave the jar open , close to the building as i get to work and when i leave , 8 hours later, i'm guessing all of them will be out of it. Hopefully ....

In other words , all i did was to provide the mother with a safe place to lay her eggs hehe.

Oh and i definatly have to tell you this ::lol::. This is just too weird. Personnaly i had never seen that species of spiders untill about 3 weeks ago when i saw my first specimen at work. I didn't know what it was at first but after posting pictures here, asking questions and doing a little research on my own, i finaly found out that they were the yellow sacs i had only heard about till then. So anyways , after this i saw a few more at work. I saw 4-5 specimens total at work and i told myself that as long as i only saw them at work, i didn't mind them at all but i was happy that i had never found any of them in my house. Yeserday, not very long after i posted the pics and some comments about my spider, i went to eat a snack and watch some tv and suddenly, for some reason i turned my head to look at the wall and guess what i saw.

Yes , it was a yellow sac and it was huge. Well maybe not that huge considering that yellow sacs don't get so big but it was still the largest one i've seen so far . it's body is at least twice the size of the one i captured yesterday night at work and it's leg span is also much wider. Now what are the odds ?????????????????????????

I only found a yellow sac in my house after i captured two of them at work. And yes i did check my containers and both my spiders were still there. I realy don't understand this at all ::lol::. Been living here for over a year now and i've found many different species of spiders inside the house but never that one and yesterday by some miracle i saw the bigest yellow sac spider i've ever come across and it had to be inside my house. Oh and not to mention that he has the best spot to hide into. As i tryed to capture it, he ran to hide behind something and there is no way for me to even think about being able to reach the spider in there.

I'll try to take his picture next time i'm lucky enough to see it . So you guys can see how big that one was.

anyways, right now i'm going to bed but sometime tomorrow i'll upload some pictures i took today . I pictured a very cute jumper that i found in the woods , i also captured it . I think it's a female but i'm not sure yet. She is very very easy to handle and very docile.

so thats it for the good news haha.

talk to you all later

Steven

I really wouldnt let it worry u at all. They are all over your yard/house already ...a very common species, but they are illusive hiders. Great silverfish regulation ...and other pests that take refuge in dry areas around the home ...areas that most other spider species cant survive in.
Eggsacs like yours r going off all the time ...multitudes of slings spreading round, but only a few survive. Even if all your slings got out, it probably wouldnt change the nature of things much.

Krawll

hey Steven thx for your post.

You know, when i give it a second thought, that big yellow sac i found a few days ago had probably been living in my house for quite some time now and so far we haven't had any incidents with it. And after observing them , i finaly had to realise that they are not agressive at all towards us. Unless agravated of course like most other spiders. I'm still not gonna release the slings in my own yard though ::lol::.

I was thinking maybe releasing them in the big boss's office at work hahahaha.
Nah , i'm not that bad. Razz

I'll find them a nice spot outside somewhere after they hatch . I wish they hatch when i'm there to watch the whole thing with a bag of popcorn in one hand and my camera in the other. I also wish i could have a nice and beautiful women right beside me to feed me the popcorn but...... hmmmm......Even miracles aren't that nice hehe. I mean i've had girlfriends before but they wouldn't feed me the popcorn Razz

Okkkaaayyyyy !!!! enough brain farts for now. I'll post whatever pictures i can get of the slings and probably a short video as well. Since the mother has been guarding her eggsac eversince she layed it , i'm guessing it shouldn't take too long before they hatch because the mother will eventualy need to come out to feed and if she realy is going to stay in there untill her slings come out then it has to happen soon. I mean within the next 3-4 days or so. All she ate so far is half of a house fly, just before she locked herself up in there about 3 days ago.

To Be Continued !!! ::lol::

Krawll

finaly hehe, the slings are out of the eggsac Smile

Hatched 11 days after the making of the eggsac. They hatched almost 48 hours ago but i was too lazy to upload the pics on photobucket hehe. Now it's done so here is the first series of pictures . More will come since they haven't left the websac yet. The mother is still inside the sac with her slings. My pics are kinda blury but i couldn't do any better. you can still see alot of very tiny yellow dots all around the sac. I've seen 2 or 3 of them move a little but not much so a video isn't realy worth it at the moment.

Here are the pics.

here are some linked ones, they are simply different angles for those interested.

- http://i283.photobucket.com/album...%20pets/yellow%20sac/DSCN2919.jpg
- http://i283.photobucket.com/album...%20pets/yellow%20sac/DSCN2921.jpg
- http://i283.photobucket.com/album...%20pets/yellow%20sac/DSCN2924.jpg
- http://i283.photobucket.com/album...%20pets/yellow%20sac/DSCN2926.jpg
- http://i283.photobucket.com/album...%20pets/yellow%20sac/DSCN2928.jpg

Krawll

This will probably be my last post about this yellow sac. So i will simply do a brief return to the beginning ::lol::.

3 days or so after her capture the spider layed an eggsac , about 11 days later, the eggs hatched and the slings simply scaterred everywhere in the websac. The mother was still alive at that time but she hadn't eat anything eversince she layed the eggs. The mother died about 4 -5 days after the eggs hatched witch means that she lived for a little more than 2 weeks after laying her eggs without eating anything. I gave her a very tiny crawler that came with the crickets i had bought not very long before that. Those crawlers were with the crickets at the pet store. Not sure what it is but anyways , it seemed to be the best thing to give her cuz it wouldn't put up a fight at all.

Now i wouldn't know whether the crawler died or was killed but the spider never came out of the websac so i'm thinking it simply died on it's own. It would seem that the mother will not leave the sac untill the slings are out. This one wasn't lucky since her slings only came out of the sac about 5 days after the death of their mother.

I was sleeping when the slings came out and it was my room mate that saw it. Those little things had come out from the air holes and alot of them were climbing on the walls inside my house and others were crawling on the table ::lol::. My room mate killed some of them but not all and he put the jar with the remaining slings outside . Right now there are only about 5 slings left in the container. Some are probably still alive and hiding inside my house and the rest of them are outside somewhere . Oh and i almost forgot to mention that i found some of them walking on my other spider's containers so i did remove those i found but some of them might 've entered the containers.

In other words, Sac spiders are not good pets. They are facinating spiders but they are very hard to keep alive in captivity and keeping an egg sac inside your house is a very BAD IDEA.

All i did was introducing a new species of spiders inside and outside my house. I say new because there wasn't any before that. Or at least i hadn't found any .

Now i'm only hoping that none of them entered my other spiders containers because if my pets eat those spiders they will die. Those slings are not Venomous, they are poisonous. You won't die for eating Venom but you will for eating poison. For example you won't die for eating a black widow but you will for eating a brown recluse.

Anyways , all of that just to say that all of this was a bad experience and nothing else. A learning experience none the less but still a bad one ::lol::.

I'm only wrting this message to prevent you guys from making the same mistake i did hehe. Do not keep a sac spider in captivity . I know i won't ever again. Smile

take care all

Later

What

WBurke17

I have widows that are in plastic cubes w/ one hole in them large enough to put a cricket in, I wad up tissue and put it in that hole and it keeps the widows and the Hundreds of slings in without any escapees. you can also use nylons/ stockings to help keep the slings in.

Johnny

yeah,,,, Warren can send you his used nylons from his weekend nights....

you just have to wash them real good....::lol::

Krawll

Mister What , i never blamed anything on the spiders. I simply said they are not easy to keep captives because they die too easily . And for the slings that came out well it has to be my own fault, though i was checking the websac multiple times a day to make sure they were still inside and the air holes i made were as small as i could possibly make them.

And about the venom and poison thing, well i read somewhere that some spiders are venomous and some other types of spiders used poison instead of venom and that if those spiders were eaten , the poison would kill the person OR creature that ate it. They gave the black widow as an example for a venomous spider and the brown recluse for an example of poisonous spider. You kinda have to admit that those spiders don't have the same kind of bite effects at all. Widow's bite will affect your entire nervous system and brown recluse will melt skin tissues. Now if that information was false, i'm sorry about it but i didn't make that up on my own. Oh and i don't think that i could use any kind of medical equipment on any of my spiders who could've accidently injested poison. I don't fear for myself here , i fear for my pets.

By the way if you wanna go ahead and keep sacs go right ahead, i was simply sharing an experience here , mentioning things that hapenned to me with a yellow sac that had layed an egg sac in a container where i had put an adult female C. mildei witch i didn't know was pregnant with eggs in the first place. Also , i have many other spiders here that i have been keeping alive for more than 2 months now . I also have Wolf slings in another container and i don't have any trouble at all with those slings or their mother. And i remember Andrew telling me he had trouble trying to keep his C. mildei alive too whenever he tryed to keep some. I'm sure Andrew simply doesn't know what he's doing eighter. He's a total beginner right ? Razz

Anyways , since you basicly covered everything i said in my last message and basicly said the exact opposite of everything i said then i guess everyone should have it's own yellow sac at home , they are very very nice pets to have . :S

Warren , thx for the tip , i'll try nylons or a tissue next time Smile

Johnny , as long as those nylons don't represent any kind of danger for my spiders or as long as they're not too sticky i'll take them ::lol::. mmmm sticky male nylons Razz

hahahaha.

Hehe aiight later mates

take care and don't forget to go out there and get your own Sac spider. Smile

What

noexcuse4you

Johnny

I wanna see that too.....hopefully at the next BBQ.

"Let's see, I'll have some of that Kyle's chicken masala, Johnnys ceviche, David's chili, them pickled eggs, some of them Cisco roasted meal worms, Kevin's crunchy brown recluses (with Tapatio) and a Corona thank you."

Celeste

I should bring more dry-roasted crickets to the next BBQ. They are really quite tasty! If I had time, I would like to try them in a yellow curry sauce.

Krawll

Mister What said : I didnt know slings could get out of needle point air holes?!?!?!

now if you tell me you've made holes on the lid of the pickle jar using needles then i'm gonna stop calling you mister and i'll just call you Master ::lol::. I didn't try it with needles because i don't think i'd be able to pierce through metal with it. Even though it's a kinda weak metal. And as i mentioned in a previous message, i had no idea an eggsac was coming when i put the spider in there and once the websac and eggsac were attached to the bottom of the jar, there was no way for me to transfer it to another (safer) container with smaller air holes. Now of course i cou've simply switch the lid for another one and make smaller holes but still , a needle wouldn't have worked.

I kinda like Warren's idea better. Using nylon or a tissue is a much better idea.

Another thing you said is : maybe the canadian ones are not very fit .

there is no such thing as a Canadian yellow sac because the ones we have here were imported from Europe . Now i don't know if it was accidental or on purpose but still they are Europeen yellow sacs.

And just one last thing mister What. Next time someone shares an experience or asks for tips and tricks or advice or tells the people here he's been having trouble with a certain type of spider, instead of just saying : I'm sure i could do it right or i've done it before or anything that basicly means ( i'm better than you) you should simply eighter give advice like Warren did or just say nothing at all.

To me you seem to be the kind of person that will tell me you could touch the Sun if i told you i burned myself doing it . Well you know what ? What. Good for you.

P.S. i still don't know how to use the Quote thing ::lol::.

And pls mister What. Don't reply saying you know how to do it . Plz let someone else reply and tell me how to do it . Razz

Johnny

Amen!

Make love not war.

****and if you make love, send us pics or vids

Krawll

LOLL

Would you like a top or a ventral view on those pics Johnny ??? hahaha

Johnny

EWWWW

Pulk

What

Thanks for the response pulk, I didnt get a chance to answer that last night.

Krawll

ok maybe i misunderstood a few things in What's replies but i still find his way to be a little arrogant. Thx Pulk for clarifying a few things here , Obviously you guys know eatchother in real life and i don't so it's totally possible that What's intentions were not to be rude or anything but i hadn't felt that arrogance coming from any other of the members here .

Also i totally understand the mistakes i did while trying to keep my yellow sacs but as i mentioned in a previous posts, i was simply sharing the experience i had. In other words telling you guys what hapenned. And then i qualified the experience as a bad one . I never said that the spiders were not fit or didn't blame anything on them , i was simply saying that those spiders are not good as captives because they die easily and also because of the bad luck i had with the slings.

Now the slings incident IS my fault and i'm never gonna blame the spiders for that and if that's what you guys thought when you read my post then i apologize for not expressing myself correctly. If i was a sling in a container and i saw holes on top, i would definatly try my best to reach for those holes. Also i know that the first thing a sling will do when he's ready to leave is to explore and try to find a safe spot away from the rest of the brood.

Now because of the fact that their exploration took place INSIDE my house and OUTSIDE a container i will still qualify my experience as a bad one no matter who's fault it is. My plans were to release those slings somewhere around the building where i work but they exited the websac while i was sleeping. Now i hope that the message i posted before the whole tension part between me and What has now been understood right .

And now for me and What well , i'm willing to shake hands with him whenever. I don't enjoy having arguments with people but i'm the kinda guy that will reply to any type of arrogance by being even more arrogant myself. The same goes the other way though, if someone is being nice with me , i will be very nice to that person in return. The way i understood What's reply after i posted my ''bad experience'' was that he was trying to make me feel wrong about mostly everything i said while the whole time i was simply telling you guys what hapenned. To be honest i wasn't even expecting a reply after posting that because as i said in the message, it was supposed to be the last post about my yellow sacs and i was not supposed to return to this thread after that because i would never keep a Yellow sac captive again. That doesn't mean i hate those spiders, it only means that the next ones i'll come accross will be left alone. I might watch them but i won't capture them.

Last thing before i leave :

Pulk , i don't see a Quote button ::lol:: , maybe it's because i only always use the quick reply box instead of clicking on post reply. Oh well , i guess i'll have to do without the quote thing. Personnaly i don't realy care but i understand it makes it easier for you guys to understand and follow the conversation .

What , don't get me wrong , i know you DO have alot of knowledge about spiders and probably about bugs in general. You probably DO know alot more than i do and i'm not afraid to say it . I only have about 2-3 months of experience in keeping spiders. I was succesful with wolves, jumpers, also one Tegenaria domestica and i also have a tarantula witch is doing just fine. I failed big time with yellow sacs witch is why i think they are harder to keep alive than other species.

I hope things have all been clarified on my part now Smile

I'm totally willing to release the tension that there was between me and What as long as he's willing to do it too. And it doesn't matter to me whether you are Daedalus or Icarus What because i have no idea what eighter of those words mean ::lol::. I'm almost sure you knew i wouldn't understand when you wrote that too ::lol::. Anyways ......

Everyone have a good day and take care

Krawll

::lol::, Pulk i've just found the Quote button Razz

I must be blind or sumthin hehe

You better watch out all cuz Krawll is gonna start Quoting ::lol:: Razz

muahahaha

Krawll

Johnny

Dont quote me,,,, im mostly wrong anyways.

Johnny

Krawll,,, what ever happened with the spider/s ?????

Krawll

I haven't found anymore of the slings so far but some are probably still hiding somewhere and i keep passing through single threads in door ways and stuff like that. It's starting to get very annoying ::lol::. It could also be threads made by another species of spiders since there is more than one species sharing my house with me Smile

Well actualy i did find one C.mildei inside my car though. It was about 1/3 the size of a mature one. It may or may not be one from the brood that hatched inside my house. I dunno....

Anyways, i'll post some updates if i start seeing some mature ones inside the house Smile

Johnny

yeah, good idea.... show us pics of the spider bites

Laughing

Krawll

Krawll

i'm finaly starting to find those lost slings hehe.

I've already relocated two of them outside the house , there is one that i saw lurking in my room but i wasn't able to catch it yet so it's still around, there are two more that i know of that are standing still in their little websacs, there is an empty websac that i found also and my room mate told me he found one in the bathroom and one in his bedroom as well. And we found all that in the past 2-3 days ::lol::. They all decided to reappear at the same time , it's kinda funny.

i took a few pictures of the two that are in their little websacs. Here they are and plz don't send comments saying that my house or my walls are dirty ::lol::. I know they are hehehe.

Oh i forgot to mention that right now they are about half the size that their mom was after she layed the eggsac.

Johnny

Hey, your house walls are dirty!!

::lol::

Krawll

LOLLLL.

I knew i would get that comment from you ::lol::, thats not realy surprising hahaha.

I work as a cleaner so when i come back home from work, the LAST thing i wanna do is cleaning and my roommate isn't realy better than i am when it comes to cleaning so thats why my walls are dirty hehe. We kinda take turns at cleaning once a month ::lol::. And i very rarely have visitors so it's all good ::lol::.

And besides, this house is very old so even when i DO clean the place, i don't think it looks better. In fact i think it looks better with spider webs here and there ::lol::.